Bans For Trans?

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And I am here in WJS guns with the owner and main proprietor and the head honcho
in cheese. And that would be Mr. Bill Stasek. Bill, welcome to the program, brother
man. - Thank you for having me, - Yes, thank you very much. - Well, thank you for
accepting the invitation and for opening your fine studio to us here today. - Always
a pleasure talking with you, sir, always. - Yes, sir, tell people a little bit about
WJS guns. I know I talk about you often, but I want you to talk about you for
just a minute. - Well, we are a full service firearms
and hunting and fishing store for the most part. We carry all firearms, classes,
class three items, work with law enforcement sales as well as civilian sales.
We carry lots of supplies for hurricane stuff, safety supplies.
We do carry fishing gear, and we are also now a dog training facility for canines.
So we train military as well as police canines,
hunting dogs, anything you need. - And you have a couple of those dogs here. Matter
of fact, they greeted me when I came in earlier. And I think one of them wanted
to be on the podcast today and I had to tell her no. And now she's pouting at
me. It won't talk to me anymore, but anyway. - Yeah, and the Malinois always wants
her away, but she usually rarely gets it. - Well, I don't know about that. I've
heard a lot about the Malinois. And they are strong -headed animals and that's
probably good because if not they wouldn't be able to do some of the stuff they
do. Crazy aerobatics that they do, it's amazing. So Bill,
we obviously share a brain on many things and one of the main things I want to
talk about today on this particular episode
is recently the Donald Trump Department of Justice floated the notion out there to
the general public of banning the ownership of firearms for trans people.
And it was hit with backlash, obviously. - Absolutely. - Yeah. And there's a lot to
unpack on this. There's a lot of questions to be asked. You and I are both very
pro -constitution, pro -constitutional rights. We don't believe anybody should just have
their rights willy -nilly taken from them, not without having deserved to have that
done.
And this is hard to deal with because, number one, there's been a lot of these
shooters from that particular category, like eight or nine of them. And,
But there's certainly not the majority of Spree shooters at the same time.
So they're not that's unpacked this. They're not the majority. You're right. And and
it is still an individual Yes, they're individuals in this group.
So Should we ban weapons to this entire group? I don't think so.
Should we maybe pay more attention into this group? Definitely. Should we pay more
attention to social media, things like that that we know? Should we pay more
attention to comments that are brought up from friends, from people that work or go
to school with you or are in your community that notice different things about you?
I mean, I think we should pay more attention to these. Now, do I think that we
should act on them and just initiate a red flag raw? No. I think that everything
needs a due process. And I think that is my biggest problem with banning firearms
to one whole group as a whole. There is no due process saying that every one of
these trans people cannot own a gun or should not own a gun. I agree with that.
Back in 2018, I was invited by, I think it was the group Florida And I was a
matter of fact with John Gutmacher who wrote that very famous book and with the
annual updates and that was back in 2018 and I met someone there and he gave a
speech. He was also a trans person. He wore a dress and everything and he asked to
be called Aaron and he gave a speech and he said basically trans rights are human
rights to and I have the right to be armed for my personal protection and that was
really kind of hard to argue. I mean if you're a law -abiding citizen and you
personally have the appropriate moral set to not harm your fellow human being or to
be a threat to them unless of course there were being a threat to you then I
can't find a problem with somebody like that owning a firearm? Now, do I agree with
what they do? No, that's not something I would do. But at the same time, do they
not have a right to defend themselves simply because I don't agree with them? That
opens up a couple of big cans of worms. For sure. I mean, to deny someone their
God -given rights, their constitutional rights, because we don't agree with their
choices in life and these choices have nothing to do with harming other people,
then I don't see how we can say you can't have a firearm. - I don't see how we
could do that and say that we're being constitutional. I really don't. - Agreed, and
that is the truth. - Now, who was it? Tim Street, I think it was. It said,
"Freedom's ugly, everybody gets to have it, everybody gets to be free, not just you.
Everybody gets to speak freely, not just you. And freedom's ugly, everybody gets to
do it. And I've stole that from him. Most good podcast hosts are good thieves too.
- Of course. - And yes, if you hear the dog barking in the background, that's Bill's
coach, his voice coach. - How did you know? - And you might hear some customers
talking in the background because we are here during business hours. So that meeting
with that meeting that person there in Tallahassee, Aaron, and it was hard to argue
with the logic that was brought out there. Hey, if I'm not a threat to anybody,
you can't tell me that I can't own a gun just because you don't believe in me. So
with Trump's DOJ saying, well, because a small, probably relatively small fraction of
this particular societal demographic, did something bad? Does that blanketly condemn
the entirety of them? Because if we start thinking along those lines, that can be
turned around on us. Oh, for sure. That's absolutely wrong. I mean, that goes back
to, well, let's just really go all the way over the top.
let's go back to Hitler. What did he do? He chose a group of people said, nope,
we don't like them. We don't want them. Let's eradicate them. Granted, we're not
going that far. We're saying they can on weapons, but that is a bunch of BS. You
can't do that. To me, the only true basis for disarming somebody is if they cannot
be trusted with arms. And if they themselves on an individual basis were doing
something dangerous to your fellow man, to society, to your neighborhood.
Okay, I have no problem with you not being armed and you being watched like a hawk
by all of us armed people. Yes, I guess vigilance is the price of freedom.
And that includes protecting it on the street. 100 % with you, Royce. I think that
there are some people that should be denied the rights to own a firearm,
but it is on a case per case basis.
And I would even go as far as saying everyone who has committed a felony should
not necessarily be denied a gun. There are different types of felonies. Yes, if it
is a violent crime for sure, deny them. But if it is a 1970s charge for marijuana
or something like that, right, It's stupid in my opinion. Yeah, I agree with that.
As a matter of fact, I remember when I was an FFL myself back between 2010 and
2015. A man named Mike, and I'm not gonna say his entire name because he probably
still is working in that world, he was part of a military contractor and stationed
in Afghanistan. And we acted as a distribution hub to disperse a line of
commemorated firearms that they bought from Sig Sauer. And so basically we took in
the guns and we would ship them out to their FFL. And we set up something on the
website where they could go in and pay. And we would go ahead and just send it to
their dealer and all that. Well, Mike came in and he had had a nice Colt 1911
sent to my shop to be transferred to him. And he came back denied,
came back denied very quickly. And this is a man who carried guns for a living,
okay? Had multiple security clearances out the wazoo to put it colloquially.
And they said no, he cannot have a gun. And he dug into it and found out why?
Because you were arrested for serving the peace in California back when you were 18,
they told him, and the charges were never pressed.
The charges were dropped, and he was never prosecuted for it. He was simply
arrested, and because of that simple arrest, the handcuffs went on so it was
recorded against him, and now for the rest of his life He cannot buy a firearm.
This is a man who was protecting our country, working in concert with our troops
over there. And they said, no, because you've been arrested. So that bears out what
you were just saying there too. For every little offense, no, if you've proven that
you have a propensity for violence, unnecessary violence against your fellow man,
am I not so humble opinion, I don't want you to have a gun. - Correct, I'm with
you. And that is just aseline for this person to have been denied over a charge
for something like that that if I did hear you correctly, was never even pushed
through. They were arrested for it. - Right. - But they were never truly found guilty
of it. So basically-- - The charges were dropped. - The charges were dropped. So what
it really is, is a little bit of house cleaning that the law enforcement agency
that arrested him did not do to remove it. So that was law enforcement once again,
dropping the ball. - No, they would do that. - No, yeah, exactly. No,
we have, and I find, if we're gonna go into that route, I find it funny that
Florida uses FDLE to do background checks. - Yeah. - Because of this. And I will
say, we We live right here on the Spacecast. We have tons and tons of people with
clearance, whether it be top secret to who knows what. - Yeah. - Every person that
comes into this store that has a lot of clearance, takes longer to clear than
someone who has zero clearance and is 23 or 24. Now, part of that I will give is
an age thing, but if you've got tons of top secret clearance, why are you having
such troubles clearing for a firearm. Well, for one thing, FDLE interposed themselves
between you, the retailer and a free system called NICS, which takes mere minutes.
And then they charge in you and the people I work for five bucks a pop to do the
exact same stinking thing. So don't tell me it's not about money. You're you're a
hundred percent true. And you know, sadly, Florida is not the only state that does
not use NICS, and some of them are as bad as $20 of background checks. Oh yeah,
yep, and I think-- For something that is given to them free. Yeah, I think
Commiforna is 20 bucks a pop, and that also includes ammo background checks too, so.
Well, the communist state of California, we all just ignore. Yeah, well, until they
start,
I'm going to get off track here. I want to stay focused on what we're talking
about here. Because I chase rabbits really easy. So do I, obviously. We both had
down those holes. But somewhere along the line, people started to think of it as
the government's job to keep bad people from getting firearms and keeping bad people
from owning firearms. I don't think the government should be in charge of that,
especially when they've proven they can't be trusted with firearms for, you know, for
reasons very true. But they got ERPOs, you know,
the red flag laws, background checks, and all this other stuff. Those laws are only
as strong as the compliance that has lent to them. And so the,
do these laws actually work? Of course not. That was a rhetorical question. Come on.
Let's see here. How many things do we have laws for to get broken for all the
time? I mean, do we really need more gun laws if it's already illegal to commit a
murder or robbery? Well, just one more gun laws. Oh, that is going to be the magic
one and it's going to stop violent crime just as Yeah, you know what?
If it really worked, I would say impose it, but it won't work and it doesn't work.
So with that in When I hear the Trump D .O .J., and I understand the political
reason it was said probably, maybe it might have just been floated out there to
watch liberals defend the Second Amendment all of a sudden, but they could have
been, you know, because they sure did. I mean, they played right into that. For
once in their lives, they defended the Second Amendment. But we got this massive,
costly prevention apparatus in place within our government with the background checks
and ERPOs, and they think that these things are somehow going to stop these
incidents from happening. But these incidents are actually increasing.
So do we really want the government to say, "No, this group of people over here
can't have guns," and that might make these people over here all happy for a brief
minute, but the implications of that, that becomes a slippery slope, in my opinion.
Well, you're very right, and you as well as I know that it is not a group of
people that is causing this. It is not guns that are causing this, and the
government shouldn't necessarily be trying to regulate that as much as they should be
trying to work on the real issue, which is the mental stability in this country. I
agree with that, too. Is there a mental stability thing that comes to play and what
this, you know, what are we calling it? That particular subset or demographic? Well,
that's debatable. I can certainly tell you this, the ones that took up guns and
started killing innocent people, yeah, they had bad mental problems. You have to have
bad mental problems to wanna do that to another innocent human being in the first
place. I mean, especially when you don't even know these people, do you wanna go in
here and kill their kids? - Bad mental problems and bad coping problems because most
of this stems from some kind of abuse or bullying or something. Something.
And I'm sorry, we've all dealt with that. You have to have some kind of coping
mechanism. Well, our coping mechanism was punch the bully in the nose and keep
punching him until he's crying and running away from you. Correct. The problem is
these people's, the new society's coping mechanism has been running go get a gun and
shoot up as many people as you can, which needs to change. - Yeah, well, you know,
I've said this before, when in my high school days, we all hung out at this one
special place, probably made bonfires, and there was probably a lake out there, and
we did that in a couple of different places, and we had our rumbles. - Of course.
- And people had guns in the back window there,
And if you reached for that, everybody would beat the dickens out of you because
you were a coward reaching for that gun and that was the stigma attached to that
kind of behavior back then. Now, oh, you insulted me. I'm going to kill a bunch of
people. Yeah, it's ridiculous. And what is causing it? So yes, President Trump's
talking about banning a group of people.
What is the real caveat for banning this group of people. Is there anything that he
can stand on that shows that all of this group has a mental issue?
So, I would say no. There's nothing that can show that they have a mental issue
that would cause problems to other people. A mental issue that would cause them to
be violent. Correct. Yes. There's nothing mental for every single triangle who's going
to make them commit crimes. So therefore there is no way we can ban that entire
group promoting firearms in my opinion. - I think people are made to feel powerless
a lot of times. And a lot of times that's by the media. I mean, look at the
media, how they're making these groups of people feel marginalized. And they're not.
Everybody that I know treats them with respect. And they're being told that Trump
and the conservatives are coming to hurt you, kill you, attack you,
whatever, and they're literally making it out that we're going to do them physical
harm. And so, like the last shooter, what did he have written on his rifle?
Yeah, defend what was it? Defend diversity or something like that. Defend diversity,
yeah. It wasn't under attack. I mean, nobody cares what color,
race, religion, creed, whatever you are in this country, not since at least 100
years ago anyway. - No, it's just gotten out of hand. People have lost the ability
to deal with anything and now they turn to violence to solve these problems. And I
honestly don't know where we went wrong or what has caused this. - Well, I have my
opinion, and I think we got away from the good book and the board, but you know.
- Correct, and I would agree with you there. I think, I mean,
we've taken God out of schools, we've taken God out of the homes, and we've taken
away that family time that I know you had and I had as a kid. - Yes,
sir. - There was a minimum of, whether it was by Friday or Saturday, that I was
home with family one of those two nights. And other than that, I had an alarm
clock. It was a coming home home alarm clock was in Darn Street lights. That's
right. And if you didn't make it home by the time it was dark, you got your
biscuits burnt, and you talked about the ones on your plate. Is that is correct?
Well, let me ask you this. Let's flip it around. Is there any time we should deny
a particular group the right to keep and bear arms if they have sworn themselves to
be enemies of the United states. Okay, if they've sworn themselves to be an enemy,
then I would say yes, we should not allow them to have firearms.
But how do you really know if they're, I mean, a group can stand out. Yes, we can
say something like ISIS has said, yes, we're against the United States. Obviously, we
don't want them to have weapons. We have no control over them. So yes, something
homegrown here, it pops up. Of course, I want to keep firearms out of the hands of
terrorists, whether they're homegrown or for foreign.
I would defend myself. And as you know, you are your last line of defense. That's
why I believe that everybody who legally can carry should carry a firearm. Yes,
absolutely. And our firearms should be for the sake of defensive violence only.
Correct. never offensive, angry violence and that's unfortunately what these pre
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We are still locked loaded and loud and we are recording this at WJS guns in North
Merritt. Merritt? North Merritt on and here with Bale Steisack. Yeah, I'm tripping
over my tongue here apparently. We're talking about the recent hubbub and furor over
this directive or not a directive. It was an idea floated from the DOJ to deny
trans people from owning firearms. And we've been discussing when is it right to
deny somebody their rights? And Bill, you being a retailer, I know you have your
certain criteria. There are certain things that someone could trigger a no sale with
you. And for me, We were talking during the break and we share our brain on
exactly what we're about to talk about on this. Let's start with marijuana,
is a federally banned substance. Now I personally know some veteran friends of mine
who smoke it, I have no problem with them. I know one thing, none of them have
ever smoked a joint and then got them a beat the dickens out of their family. I'd
like a few drunk ones that did. - Yeah, - Of course. - But now here in Florida, in
our home state, you can buy a, you can get a marijuana card, subscribe to you,
I think, from a doctor. - Correct. - Okay, and once you have that card, you are,
give me the air quotes here, legal to own and smoke marijuana, so you can go to
any Snoop Dogg concert you wanted to in.
(laughing) Wait, (laughing) So, let me raise a hypothetical. I'm gonna raise two of
'em, actually. Let's say a guy walks in here and he's got his carry permit, he's
got his driver's license, and he flips his wallet open, and you also see that
marijuana card sitting in his wallet. Sail or no sale. - Sadly, he just prohibited
himself from buying a firearm. - And why? - Well, basically because it's illegal by
the federal government. Me as like you myself, I know people who smoke,
granted it's for purposes of pain and whatnot dealing with different things, but and
it's prescribed. But should I prohibit them from purchasing a firearm? Personally, I
think no. But because the federal law still says that. I'm sorry, as an FFL holder,
we cannot take chances on losing our licenses by selling to someone who has it. And
sadly, whether it's been said on this show or not, we are also mandatory reporters
to Nix,
should someone come in and present a medical marijuana card. Oh, I forgot about that
angle. Yeah, I didn't know if you remembered that or not. Yeah, we
And, you know, and honestly, in our part, that sucks too. So I just let everyone
know. Don't come in if you're medical marijuana. If you are, you cannot purchase a
gun for you have to wait one year after your card expires to be able to purchase.
Wow. Okay. I didn't even know that part about it. Well, let's say somebody comes in
wreaking and you can tell he just baked himself on the way to WJS guns to buy
himself a gun and he walks in and you smell it all over him. Sail or no sail?
It would be a no sail once again. I mean, unless he can come in carrying a skunk
and show to me that that's what it was, he's getting a no sail. I'm sorry,
I don't mean to be this person, but we have to follow the laws, even if we don't
necessarily agree with all of the laws, - They have to be enforced. - Because the
federal government granted you there, they're also a vaunted permission to own a gun
store, as long as of course you walk within their guidelines. So then again, you
never know if there's not, if you're not being set up for a sting. - Correct, and
that's what I say. We really have to follow the laws, whether we agree with them
or not, because they are laws and they are on the books and they are legal,
so therefore we have to deal with them and enforce them until we can change them.
- Well, and that's just the bottom line, unfortunately. - Yeah, it is. - It's probably
not a hill that I want to get into a firefight on right now. - Me neither. - Well,
let me ask you this. We broached this in the first segment. Should we try to keep
guns out of the hands of known enemies of the Constitution, known enemies of the
United States, domestic enemies here within our nation. - I do think we should try
and keep guns out of those hands, but I question how we know who those hands are.
- There's the rub. - I mean, that's the hard part is, without being denying on
everyone in a particular group, and I mean, let's just go an easy route,
someone who easily looks like skinheads. Let's just go that route. We'll take that
route. An Aryan brother, an Aryan brotherhood group sporting the white power tights.
I cannot say that all of them are going to be violent. You know, not at a
swastika on the forehead. Correct. I mean, they might be, they very well could be.
Everything is leaning to that, but I can't necessarily say one hundred percent that
that person just did not make some bad choices in ink in their life. Bad choices
with ink.
Well, here's the thing. We have right now in this country, a bunch of little
communists. We do. And they are proudly waving the communist banner and they are
linked up with the Muslims too. They got the Muslim Marxist Alliance.
And this is a group that I definitely think we need to keep firearms out of their
hands. I agree with that, because if you look what they're doing in the UK, the
Muslims, you look what they're doing in Dearborn, Michigan right now. They've taken
over Dearborn. Oh yeah. And they're wanting to take over New York City too. And
they come into a country, they don't come in here to assimilate. They come in here
telling us flat out, "Well, we're in power, we're gonna run you guys out "or we're
gonna kill you all, they're saying this openly. They get into positions of government
and pretty soon next thing you know your country's been conquered or your city has
been conquered without firing a single shot. Do I want those people who tell me
that I should have my head sawn off with a butcher knife because I don't believe
in their God or their prophet? Do I want them having weapons. No,
are they probably going to get weapons anyway? Yeah, more likely if they're intent,
they're probably going to get weapons on, on hand. And that's why you and I need
to be armed to the teeth also. Agreed. Uh, but if, if they walk into my gun store
where I work, I have no problem doing a no sale. If I start picking up on bad
things and bad vibes and if things in my gut start telling me something's off, I
will flat out called no sale and I agree. And there's also a nice little section
on your 4473 to write notes of what you noticed. Yes. In case this comes up again
or in case this person ever does buy a firearm somewhere else and ends up getting
gun traces or things like that. People can come up and go, well, we have this
customer and this is why we denied them. Mm -hmm. Well, we recently denied one that
we knew was a straw purchaser. purchaser, right? And I think I sent you the
photograph of that couple too and said flat out, they had tried to do a straw
purchase. They drove from four hours away to our shop. Why, you know,
why that distance? - The crazy things people do. Yeah, I mean, we had people come
up here from Miami, things like that. Why? I don't know. One of them was actually
the leader of the Proud Boys. - Oh. He was one of our customers for a little while
my best of those guys and frankly, they were actually great guys Everyone that was
great. Um, the only actually only reason I knew it was was because the FBI came in
here asking us for records from what they'd purchased Wow, how about that? There's a
lot of a lot of Intrigue in the gun business. It's weird. I mean these guys were
all nice upstanding people. Um, at least they seem to me They were great to us.
Let's put it that way. Well, I guess what it what this all does for me is this
is First of all government Prevention Can never be a solution because it's always
going to be heavy -handed. It'll always be government overreach. It's always going to
be an overreach to me the way to stop spree shooters and the violence that you see
in
is number one, you harden the dad gum targets. You harden them up good. And that
means hardening society by, I like what Trump did in DC. Not only did he have the
troops come in and shut down the violence, but he also speeded up carry permits in
Washington DC. And that's how you harden the target. Just like you and I both know,
any school, there's a school right down the road from here. And you and I both
know the best way to harden that target is not to pass a law that says you can't
take guns there, is to have people there with guns to meet the bad people with the
guns. You know this, I know this, because when it comes to prevention, you really
can't. Well, and what did you just say? He sped up the concealed carry permits in
D .C. So on that caveat right there, wouldn't it be smart if Trump would just say
Concealed carry permits are the exact same as a driver's license national reciprocity
done Well, I don't know if he has that kind of authority in his position, but I
mean the ATF changes lots to the president Surely, yeah, if you want to start
issuing executive orders, how about the ATF is no more as of today No,
I just I truly believe that if we had national reciprocity, we would have a lot
Less crime we would have more people carrying and we know more people carrying on
the road right now people don't carry because they don't know where they can go or
where they can't go mm -hmm well my wife has to drive to work unarmed every day
back and forth because of where she works they've said you can't bring and they
will they will search your vehicle they will put the mirrors under your cars and
everything they're not kidding around there where she works um mm Um,
I don't like her being defenseless for one second, much less to and from work every
day. It's one thing when you get to the secured facility, it's another thing in
between. Yeah. And I think any, I honestly think that any secured facility should
realize this. Just like Florida passed the laws stating that Disney could not allow
you to have your gun in your car. That was because a corporation was not allowing
people on their property with the firearms. So therefore, these secured facilities,
government or not, should be the same way. They should realize that you have to
travel from point A to point B before you get to their secured facility.
- Absolutely, absolutely. I think somebody that had a facility near where she works
out there at the Uh, if they had a, uh, hourly storage facility where people could
check their guns in and then, you know, come get them at the end of the day, we
have your own locker or whatever. I think they'd make a, make mint. They would. Um,
I mean, we've stored guns for people going on cruises. I actually had looked at,
uh, one of the banks here that I was thinking about buying to put the store in
because we would have safety deposit boxes to use for that exact purpose. Oh, very
cool. Well, I think we need to face it that there've been plenty of shooter types
besides trans shooters. - Oh, of course. - And most of them have been involved with
psychotropic drugs. And I think that needs to be focused on rather than somebody's
personal orientation as to what they think they are. - Correct. - I think they're
deluded to think they're something they're not. As long as you're not violent, you
can be as deluded as you wanna be. - Correct. - So - The common denominator in all
of these shootings is a gun -free zone. - Of course it is. - Think about it,
if you're going to attack somewhere, where are you gonna go? To the softest target
you can find. - And what did the most recent shooter say? Exactly that. He chose a
gun -free zone because one of his heroes, the Aurora Theater shooter, He idolized him
and realized and he followed his thinking and his patterns Including looking for a
soft target. Well, and look at this this this church school shooting This this
church and school did a great job. They actually kept the shooter outside But he
was still shooting through windows and taking people out
You know that is - That is an issue. - Yeah, I think so too. It's not a very hard
target if you could start shooting into the windows and things like that. - Yeah,
and exactly. And how he, I mean, granted, he only killed two. I only, I say only.
I don't mean that as a, it's two is too many. - I know you're speaking
comparatively. - Right, but compared to all of them that were injured, you would
think that these people, since he was stuck outside, would have been able to get
below or to where they were protected, but apparently not.
Yeah, well, one thing for sure, churches are easy targets. They are. And that's why
I say, I think we need to flake you said we need to harden all targets. We need
to fortify them somehow, whether it be churches, schools, businesses, don't have to
worry about post office. That always starts on the inside, but, you know,
Well, it was the comedy for the day. I've made this point before. So I'm sure my
My listeners are gonna be hearing old hat here, but there's only been one attempted,
recorded, mass shooting at a police station in the United States in its entire
history, and it lasted four seconds. And gee, what do you think the outcome possibly
was there, Bill? - I'm gonna guess that the shooter perished quickly. - Yes, very
quickly. Within those four seconds, actually, and I think they made him look like a
colander. - Probably said probably say to me that's a dumb place to first off what
are you gonna steal handcuffs well even if you just want to go in there and kill
cops you've got to remember they're packing too every single soft target not at all
even the person at the desk has a gun in the drawer if they don't have it on
their side yeah absolutely man I tell you well what it is evil has always waged
war against good and and the darkness has always fought against light and it will
evil never sleeps. No, yeah, that's just the bottom line. Evil certainly wants to
disarm us now in this country. And that's why these pre shooters have targeted these
unarmed people. That's why we should never trust those kind of people. And when I
say those kind. I'm not talking about that demographic. I'm talking about anybody
that's got these weird little fantasies, and if you can catch them, you know,
beforehand, great. But in the meantime, how many have slipped through the radar?
Millions. To me, the only thing to do is harden the dead gum target, and that's by
putting good people in there who have good training with good, reliable firearms, and
they can shoot somebody in the face when necessary when they jump up to try to
hurt other people there in that space. - Agreed, but you know, let's talk about what
you just said. How is it that so many of these have slipped through cracks? What
is it that we don't pay attention to or that we do that we miss these so much?
'Cause I mean, there are lots of signs for most of these. There were signs for
this last year, but we once again didn't follow them. Now, I see that both ways.
Part of that, yes, we don't want to enforce red flag clause with no due us, but
we also have to somehow pay attention to the signs and to the people that are
telling us this person is having an issue and something is going to happen. >> I
guess what it boils down to for me, Bill, and I know you believe this too,
prevention to focus only on prevention, number one, it gives the government too much
power. >> Oh, for sure. >> The Best way to prevent these things is to stop them
as soon as they begin and Again, that comes to hardening the target not passing a
law that impacts only you and me because we're law -abiding people Yeah, laws don't
stop these people. They're already ready to kill people. So the gun laws obviously a
moot point at that play, you know, so
Being ready If you know this is an issue, why are we not hardening the targets?
I Agreed and that's and we're not hardening them in my opinion because we have too
many people out there that think that guns are a Bad thing isn't as opposed to
thinking guns in the right hands are a good thing Yes, and if we're protecting
these targets because we know you know, I know the police department just cannot
respond fast enough Even the police department knows this. Yep. So therefore who is
your defense? You're your defense. Well-- And who is our student's defense? Well
-trained teachers and maybe more resource officers. I don't know, but something. The
best person to defend anybody is yourself. Of course. You're your own first
responder. The intended victim is always the best person to put a stop to these
things. You know, I love watching some of those Discovery Channel things where the
lions try to jump on this cape buffalo and he stomps the crap out of him, you
know? And they sit there and play toss the lion with their horns all together. You
see this limp lion flying through the air and they're getting gored and stomped. To
me, I like that. I love the intended victim turning around and stomping the
predator. I agree, a well -prepared victim to turn the tables very easily. Yes, and
that's what this is all about. - And honestly, most of the attackers are,
boy, I can't think of a good word to say because you're actually a live thing.
- No, we're not live, go ahead. (laughing) - They're a bunch of wussies that
basically, I don't know, didn't get enough attention, didn't get caught on leftist
kids, I don't know. I'm saying things that I probably shouldn't say, but you know,
these people are driving me nuts. They're going out and are picking on defenseless
people because they can, instead of picking on someone who can actually defend
themselves and then seeing what happens. - Oh yeah, well again, they always choose
the softer target. - Yeah, of course. - That's just the problem right there. Now,
being responsibly armed is a right that must be governed by morals and not by other
people, not by externals, but by internals. - 100%. - So, Would that boils down to
another question? Can immoral people be trusted with arms?
- Of course not. They're immoral.
Geez, make me think here a little, but you don't really know. If you're immoral,
you cannot be trusted with arms, but you can't be trusted with anything. - Well,
again, though, do I want that person disarmed if they haven't exhibited any violent
propensities? - And that's where the problem was. - They're immoral, so we know that
they have the ability to do it, but they've not done it, so therefore you cannot
deny. - So my best course of action, or my best remedy, would be to be armed and
trained in the face of something that might happen, because that's really the only
sure thing, if you really think about it, does that mean that the intended victim
will prevail every time? So, that's where training comes in, though. - That's where
training comes in, though. - Exactly. So, training, training, and some situational
awareness. - Yes, sir. - Pay attention, my friend. - Yeah. - But, you know, I agree.
I think everybody needs to be armed, period. I mean, and yes, we've just said this
group shouldn't because they did this and this, but if everybody's armed, where are
the safest cities in this nation right now? - Yes. - There are a couple of them.
- Constitutional carry cities, yes. Everybody is armed. - Yes, absolutely. The old
saying is a true saying. An armed society is a polite society.
And Machiavelli even said that an unarmed man is contemptible. He's looked down upon
as if he's weak and unwilling to defend himself. And that's what made him say that.
So yeah, rights must be exercised with moral restraint. Otherwise, like Jefferson
said, the Constitution is only good for governing a moral people. If we're immoral,
well, what's happened to our country now? Because we allowed immorality to creep
through our nation. Well, we were dumb. We should have listened to Washington, too,
and never made a bipartisan government. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's not fair. Oh, so
many mistakes. For me, I'll need to go back and rewrite the Constitution with with
horrific punishments for elected officials that try to write laws that violate the
pre -law. - Anyone writing laws that can't write laws. I mean, we actually put in
this three tiered system to have laws made and enforced correctly,
and then we let agencies make laws, which agencies don't make laws, they enforce
laws. - Oh, but they create them now, unfortunately. I know which agents that you're
talking about, too.
Well, I tell you, it puts us in a quandary until you boil it down to that one
thing there. If they're not a threat, they should not be disarmed.
If they're not a threat to the lives of other people, to their safety, to their
life, then They should not be disarmed and you should not tell one group. Well,
certain members of your group have done bad things with guns because if that was
the criteria, we could not disarm the entire federal government. Yeah. Well, you
know, everyone's had everyone is in some group that has done something bad or over
time or with a firearm. Yeah. Exactly. Yep. I have to. Unfortunately, so therefore
none of us should be armed if that's the case. But I don't believe that because we
all need to be armed. Yeah. Amen, amen, and amen. Well, Bill, I really appreciate
you being part of the program today. I really appreciate you sitting through this. I
know you're just getting over a bug, and if y 'all are wondering why Bill might
sound a little raspy, that's because he was getting over a bug. And I appreciate
your input here. And by the way, just a reminder, if you come to WJS Guns,
hide your marijuana card, and don't bake yourself right before you walk in,
Okay, 'cause Bill will then have a federal mandate placed upon him to deny the sale
to you, okay? So you will be a prohibited person. Be good law abiding citizens when
you come in at least. Yeah, and don't come in drunk either, okay? Please. You come
in reeking of alcohol and no way you're getting a gun. And I'm pretty sure that's
the way it is at all gun stores around me. It is. All right, well, Bill,
I'm gonna leave everybody with a quote from Tench Cox that I like quoting a lot of
his stuff, especially where he says the unlimited power of the sword is not in the
hands of the federal or state governments, but where I pray it will ever remain in
the hands of the people. And he said also, he said as civil rulers, not having
their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize and as the military
forces, which must be occasionally raised to defend our country might pervert their
power to the injury of their fellow citizens. The people are confirmed by the
article and their right to keep and bear their private arms. And you notice he made
no caveats and no provisos in there. - Nope. - If you're a morally minded person and
you mean no harm to anybody - Anybody else? Yes, keeping their arms as far as I'm
concerned, even if we differ ideologically or anything else, as long as you are not
a threat to me and my way of life or my country,
then yes, freedom's ugly, I gotta let you have it too. Bill, leave us with
something. - I agree, and then you know what? If they are not a threat to me, my
family, or like you said, my country, then honestly, them with a One is probably a
bonus because they are going to be a fence to our country. Exactly. That's why I
say train and carry daily, everyone. Bill sounds a lot like your host here,
doesn't he? All right. Well, that's going to do it for this episode of the shooting
straight radio podcast. Don't forget to stay in contact with your reps. Don't forget
to also train, train, train. Always have a firearm on your person.
Always have trauma supplies also and never forget in coming rounds always have the
right of way. Royce and Bill out.